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[70chall440]

Since I am on this subject, people tend to forget that every one of these cars started life exactly the same way, bare shell. As they went down the line they got things added to them to make them into the final product. Pretty much every one of those "things" can be added post build, so I have always found it strange that some cars are so revered while others looked down on. If someone takes a /6 or 318 car and builds a very nice Hemi or 6 pack car then it should be worth the sum of its parts and quality of build. Exactly the same thing should apply to factory cars but the "collectors", "flippers", "investors", "restorers" and "purists" all want everyone to believe this is not the case in an attempt to retain and/or escalate the values/prices of cars that only a select few could ever hope to own.

This degradation of the hobby has had a trickle down effect wherein the artificial tier system has assigned a position to certain vehicles but as the "high end" cars become unobtainable the "lesser" cars become more valuable. I am not saying that there should not be values, obviously there always have been and always will be a value assigned to every vehicle but what I am saying is that this "value" has become more about things that don't make any difference. A superbly built car with whatever options installed should be worth (again) the sum of its parts and yes it should be worth more than a crappier version despite what it was born with. This is why you see "clone" and "restomod" cars beginning to command more and more money, because people are beginning to realize that a nice car is worth something despite some codes. I laugh every time I see a thread on one of these forums with someone complaining that some "clone" or "restomod" got more at auction than a "real" restoration or survivor.

Rant over... (for now)... LOL

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

 

[moparleo]

The reason that cars got stupid expensive was back in the late 80's early 90's when the Wall St, guys were looking for another way to increase their portfolio's value.
They knew nothing about cars but found a way to make a lot of money.
Start buying the "valuable cars" and then go to a few auctions and pay stupid money for similar cars. The auction price now artificially raised the value of all similar cars, including the cars that these guys owned.
Kind of a shill game. The problem is that now those cars that sold for far more than they were worth are now unobtainable to the average guy. Only the "big boys" can play.
Markets change and they cash pout to put their money into another investment but the damage is done.
Prices will never get back to reality so everyone is playing the "I Have 1 of 1" so mine is worth...with typical cars. The more that we do this the longer it will take to get back to reality.

 

[ldr]

I don't think your opinion is any better than anyone Eleses . It will interesting to see what your pricing will be in the future , if you have anything to sell.

 

[70chall440]

The reason that cars got stupid expensive was back in the late 80's early 90's when the Wall St, guys were looking for another way to increase their portfolio's value.
They knew nothing about cars but found a way to make a lot of money.
Start buying the "valuable cars" and then go to a few auctions and pay stupid money for similar cars. The auction price now artificially raised the value of all similar cars, including the cars that these guys owned.
Kind of a shill game. The problem is that now those cars that sold for far more than they were worth are now unobtainable to the average guy. Only the "big boys" can play.
Markets change and they cash pout to put their money into another investment but the damage is done.
Prices will never get back to reality so everyone is playing the "I Have 1 of 1" so mine is worth...with typical cars. The more that we do this the longer it will take to get back to reality.

I think it is like any commodity, the higher priced unicorn cars are going to stay relatively high and slowly the others will stabilize to a point. I would be remiss if I didn't recognize that this investor class era has done a lot of good things for the hobby as well. We probably would not have had companies like AMD or the repop of so many virtually hard to find parts without it. Likewise a good number of the cars on the road and in collections today would have been parts cars and thus lost.

Like everything, this is a "yin and yang" deal, good and bad. My hope is that because so many cars have been saved, so many more not parted out or crushed that over time project cars will become more and more attainable.

All this said, prices for many of these cars will never come down significantly and I see the price of restomod cars rising to a degree. If you can have a vintage car that has the reliability, drivability and durability of a modern car, many younger buyers will come calling. There is no denying that most everyone loves the 70's era styling but it is the uncertainty of vintage drive trains and systems that scare many away. Regardless of what does or doesn't happen, I have mine and thus I am satisfied. I should add that the development of high values has kept me from dragging home a pile of cars I didn't need. Cars that used to be $500 are now $5000 so that serves well to keep me in check.

 

[BSG]

I never have and still don't give a crap about the "code".... this is that investor mentality that has damaged the hobby and why a piece of paper (Broadcast sheet) is worth $1000+. This is all about pecking order, value and status and has nothing to do with the actual vehicles. There is/was a 70 Challenger for sale on here, listed as an 440 car but looking at the VIN it was a 318, however it is a very nice car. I don't think they should be worth more or less than what they are built as when you are standing before them, but I also say that I don't think a Hemi car is worth $200K+ just because of that engine.

I'm with you build what you want. The #s Matching hemi cars are for now the people with money to burn. The rest of us can enjoy what the Mopar nation does the best. Run what you brung burnouts & cruising the vintage iron that most all of us here have put together piece by piece. I have 2 of these ebodies 72 340 that I built to my liking from a 318 2bbl ac car, to a 340 auto ac resto mod and a 71 numbers matching 383 4bbl 4sp RT car. The later is more valuable, but my favorite is the resto mod. Because I modified to the car to what I always dreamed of owning. I purchased it for like $800.00 dollars from the shop owner I was working for straight out of high school. I look at these things like rolling pieces of Badass art. Its also nice to know something you put so much time and energy into has some monetary value. In my book owning just one is blessing.

 

[Red Dragon]

Since I am on this subject, people tend to forget that every one of these cars started life exactly the same way, bare shell. As they went down the line they got things added to them to make them into the final product. Pretty much every one of those "things" can be added post build, so I have always found it strange that some cars are so revered while others looked down on. If someone takes a /6 or 318 car and builds a very nice Hemi or 6 pack car then it should be worth the sum of its parts and quality of build. Exactly the same thing should apply to factory cars but the "collectors", "flippers", "investors", "restorers" and "purists" all want everyone to believe this is not the case in an attempt to retain and/or escalate the values/prices of cars that only a select few could ever hope to own.

This degradation of the hobby has had a trickle down effect wherein the artificial tier system has assigned a position to certain vehicles but as the "high end" cars become unobtainable the "lesser" cars become more valuable. I am not saying that there should not be values, obviously there always have been and always will be a value assigned to every vehicle but what I am saying is that this "value" has become more about things that don't make any difference. A superbly built car with whatever options installed should be worth (again) the sum of its parts and yes it should be worth more than a crappier version despite what it was born with. This is why you see "clone" and "restomod" cars beginning to command more and more money, because people are beginning to realize that a nice car is worth something despite some codes. I laugh every time I see a thread on one of these forums with someone complaining that some "clone" or "restomod" got more at auction than a "real" restoration or survivor.

Rant over... (for now)... LOL

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

Who knew a proper wiper motor could make or break a good restoration. You never intend to drive the car in the rain but damn that wiper motor is perfect. Kind of says it all.

 

[70chall440]

I agree, growing up I had all sorts of cool Mopars many of which I wish I would have kept. Today like you I have 2 E bodies, a 70 Challenger RT 440 AT PS PB AC and a 73 restomod Cuda (Barracuda) as well as a 70 Roadrunner, 71 Charger and a 68 FB Cuda. If I had to guess, I'd say my RT is probably more valuable from an originality standpoint but my 73 is a full custom with a 416 stoker, 4 speed and a LOT of fabrication and I have at least twice if not 3 times in it what I have into the Challenger. My 71 Charger will be a 5.7 crate engine and a TKX 5 speed and my 70 RR will be a 426 Hemi and a 4 speed, so I can't say what has more resale value and to be honest I don't really care.

I have always loved these cars for what they are, unique super cool automobiles or perhaps better said not Mustangs or Camaros LOL