AAR resto

[don selleck]

well ran out of propane last night, long story short had to switch companies, but no new tanks till next thursday, so I'm running (2) 100 pound tanks to keep from freezing out there with the water lines etc. have the thermostat on 42 so I guess I'm on vacation for a week. And what's so sad, Larry4406 ?

 

[moparlee]

well ran out of propane last night, long story short had to switch companies, but no new tanks till next thursday, so I'm running (2) 100 pound tanks to keep from freezing out there with the water lines etc. have the thermostat on 42 so I guess I'm on vacation for a week. And what's so sad, Larry4406 ?

This will get his attention: @larry4406

 

[Deathproofcuda]

Very nice work! However, seeing this just pisses me off again that AMD makes a 70 model year specific floor pan, but then couldn't be bothered to use the correct stamping pattern for the stiffening ribs.

 

[Deathproofcuda]

I am blown away by this thread! The amount of metal work that you are undertaking, all while leaving the exterior of the car generally untouched is truly amazing. I've been hanging around restoration forums for a lot of years and don't ever recall someone tackling a project quite like this. Very impressive work!!!

Of course, the shop is pretty nice too! Thanks for taking us along on the ride

 

[don selleck]

Very nice work! However, seeing this just pisses me off again that AMD makes a 70 model year specific floor pan, but then couldn't be bothered to use the correct stamping pattern for the stiffening ribs.

thank you, they are pretty damn close, I assume your talking these? there is a very slight kick forward on the drivers side, but alot of

hell to get that out

 

[don selleck]

I am blown away by this thread! The amount of metal work that you are undertaking, all while leaving the exterior of the car generally untouched is truly amazing. I've been hanging around restoration forums for a lot of years and don't ever recall someone tackling a project quite like this. Very impressive work!!!

Of course, the shop is pretty nice too! Thanks for taking us along on the ride

thank you that means alot, I've done a few before to the point of too nice and can't drive it, the outside of this car is a great driver, and intend to keep it as a driver, and drive it. I just think how many AAR's do you see driving down the road ever (0).

 

[don selleck]

This will get his attention: @larry4406

hope it was just fat fingers don't want anyone misunderstanding what I'm saying, which is easy to do typing without expression

 

[Deathproofcuda]

thank you that means alot, I've done a few before to the point of too nice and can't drive it, the outside of this car is a great driver, and intend to keep it as a driver, and drive it. I just think how many AAR's do you see driving down the road ever (0).

I could not agree more!

 

[Deathproofcuda]

Here is what I was referring to in my AMD floor pan rant. First photo shows the stiffening ribs layout for a 1970 E-body. See how there are 6 ribs and only the center two are connected to the drain hole stamp? The second photo is the layout used for 71 and up cars, and is the layout used by AMD for their 1970-only E-body floor pans. Only 5 ribs and all five tie into the drain hole stamp.

Sherman, and I believe Dynacorn, sell a 1970 floor pan with the correct stiffening rib layout, but you have have to buy the full floor (last photo).

 

[don selleck]

Here is what I was referring to in my AMD floor pan rant. First photo shows the stiffening ribs layout for a 1970 E-body. See how there are 6 ribs and only the center two are connected to the drain hole stamp? The second photo is the layout used for 71 and up cars, and is the layout used by AMD for their 1970-only E-body floor pans. Only 5 ribs and all five tie into the drain hole stamp.

Sherman, and I believe Dynacorn, sell a 1970 floor pan with the correct stiffening rib layout, but you have have to buy the full floor (last photo).

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ah I didn't even have that left on my original didn't notice it

 

[Deathproofcuda]

I noticed the issue several years back when doing a driver's floor repair on my Cuda, and it ticked me off. But seems like something that most people don't notice, since just about everyone is still buying AMD floor pans for their 70s.

 

[pschlosser]

However, seeing this just pisses me off again that AMD makes a 70 model year specific floor pan, but then couldn't be bothered to use the correct stamping pattern for the stiffening ribs.

You can criticize them, if you want and maybe they deserve it. But they DO make many repairs possible at an economical price. I'm glad they do what they do.

When making a product, I have faith they DO NOT hurry through it, considering the startup costs involved. If the stamping isn't precisely accurate, there is a reason. Either there is variation between dodge & plymouth during the same model year, or the costs would be too high to make products for one year alone, when a tweak affords them a single product to work for all 1970-74 models. That cost savings is passed on to us. American designed, made in (who knows where, but does it matter, if it adheres to an American design?) We design good shite.

 

[don selleck]

check this one out where did you buy that pan at I had issues with a AMD fender I got this direct from AMD it has only 5 ribs as you stated

 

[Deathproofcuda]

You can criticize them, if you want and maybe they deserve it. But they DO make many repairs possible at an economical price. I'm glad they do what they do.

When making a product, I have faith they DO NOT hurry through it, considering the startup costs involved. If the stamping isn't precisely accurate, there is a reason. Either there is variation between dodge & plymouth during the same model year, or the costs would be too high to make products for one year alone, when a tweak affords them a single product to work for all 1970-74 models. That cost savings is passed on to us. American designed, made in (who know where, but does it matter, if it adheres to an American design?) We design good shite.

Sure, who knows, maybe someone at AMD that is smarter than I am made the executive decision to use the newer stamping style because it is a superior engineering design.

Just seems a bit odd to me that, within a hobby where lots of folks over-sweat some pretty insignificant details about originality, there aren't more people that are aware of this issue. Not trying to turn this thread into my personal soapbox against AMD. This just happened to remind me of my own experience from several years ago, and thought that others might benefit from my "mistake" and would appreciate knowing that there are other floor pan options out there that may be more "correct".

 

[pschlosser]

This just happened to remind me of my own experience from several years ago, and thought that others might benefit from my "mistake" and would appreciate knowing that there are other floor pan options out there that may be more "correct".

And I for one, welcome the clarity you offer. I did not mean to undervalue your opinion. I only meant to offer some perspective. Thanks for your patience with me. All is well in Zion.

 

[Deathproofcuda]

check this one out where did you buy that pan at I had issues with a AMD fender I got this direct from AMD it has only 5 ribs as you stated View attachment 133762View attachment 133763

I also got my pan directly from AMD, but none of the pics in my earlier post are mine. I just pulled some good examples off the web.

Looks like your passenger side pan is original, like mine is. Back when I was doing my floor, I was so ticked off about the difference that I was tempted to order a full floor pan from Sherman or Dynacorn, but at $500+ to purchase and have it shipped I just couldn't justify it for my beater after buying the left side AMD floor pan. So, I welded it in, covered it up with new carpet, and have "mostly" forgotten about it. Looking at the rest of my car, you'd never think I could be so anal about such a trivial detail, but we all have our neuroses I guess.

 

[don selleck]

damn it you pointed it out, just kidding I just can't wait till that ***** is purple.underneath, going to wire wheel the rest of the floor pan paint it with some sem black rubberized under coating and install some dynamat, not cutting the holes out until its purple underneath gonna use it to seal the drain holes off from overspray.

 

[Challenger RTA]

You can criticize them,

Having worked at Devilbiss for a period of time. Their kind of a big company. I was in the maintenance of plastic mold injection machine. changing the molds and keep them running and keep material for the operators about 25 of them. At times I would have to check with the engineer to get the correct mold and set up spec. A number of times we would talk. And came the understanding of what went in to the making of the the DIE. The cost astounded me at 10k per side back in the late 70's. That's for a die about a 1.5 cube of steel in two pieces. The blow mold was a lot bigger for vaporizer and others. Once it was in, it was in for a long run. Never ask what that cost.
A little inside info. The was a air hose production machine. We would run of x amount of feet. The we would change the stamping die from Devilbiss to Craftsman or other and start the machine right up.

My point here is you can't begrudge a company for there investment and their profit. That's on them. Same as quality control. Sometimes things slip by and the customer has to give them feedback. They just might make it right.
Had to work around 98% woman work force. Think about it how many days in a month and I had to deal with it. There were some nice young looking women. There were some not so much older but mature women there and they keep the younger ones in place. Married or not it didn't mater. Lucky me! I didn't get in trouble.

 

[don selleck]

I worked at LOF, libby owens ford, back in the 80's same thing with the injection molds around some of the glass made there, these companies were in business to make money. also worked at pilot plastics in Dexter, mich. made plastic fuel lines, I was around 20 then and the 30 something women were a blast to flirt with back then.

 

[Challenger RTA]

I worked at LOF, libby owens ford, back in the 80's same thing with the injection molds around some of the glass made there, these companies were in business to make money. also worked at pilot plastics in Dexter, mich. made plastic fuel lines, I was around 20 then and the 30 something women were a blast to flirt with back then.

I know what you mean. But some were too serious. They nicked named me Romeo. I was on a mid shift maybe a 100 on first and about 25- 30 on second. I did amaze me how the could stay focused, fast on there work and do an excellent job.